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Hi Leonard,

Thanks for following up about this.

Have you heard anything more about the TIFF registry in the meantime?

Thanks,
Roger

> On 12 Mar 2021, at 18:32, Leonard Rosenthol via Tiff =
<tiff@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>=20
> Sorry about the delay =E2=80=93 lawyers are not always the easiest =
folks to get responses from=E2=80=A6
> =20
> Adobe Legal has decided that TIFF is not a trademark that we wish to =
defend.  Please feel free to continue to use it as you already have =
been.
> =20
> Leonard
> =20
> From: Tiff <tiff-bounces@lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of Andrew Brooks =
<arb@sat.dundee.ac.uk>
> Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 12:38 PM
> To: "tiff@lists.osgeo.org" <tiff@lists.osgeo.org>
> Subject: Re: [Tiff] [Off Topic] TIFF and multispectral images of =
historical documents?
> =20
> If Adobe were serious about defending their trademark they would have =
to demonstrate that they engage with people who wish to use it. The lack =
of engagement which they have demonstrated so far suggests they have =
abandoned their claims to TIFF.
> =20
> On Tue, 2 Mar 2021 at 14:46, Roger Leigh <rleigh@codelibre.net =
<mailto:rleigh@codelibre.net>> wrote:
>> On 2 Mar 2021, at 12:20, Leonard Rosenthol via Tiff =
<tiff@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:tiff@lists.osgeo.org>> wrote:
>>> =20
>>> It should also be noted that the OME-TIFF people are in violation of =
Adobe=E2=80=99s Trademark on the use of TIFF, so I personally wouldn=E2=80=
=99t bet on a horse that hadn=E2=80=99t gotten its licenses in order=E2=80=
=A6
>> =20
>> While I no longer work for the OME organisation myself, I would be =
interested to know what exactly would be wrong with the licensing here.  =
I can always pass along any concerns you have to the people I know who =
are working there.
>> =20
>> OME-TIFF is not a trademark or as far as I=E2=80=99m aware infringing =
on the TIFF trademark.  The actual code, both Java and C++ =
implementations, are BSD-licenced and freely available, as is the open =
specification.
>> =20
>> OME-TIFF is just a plain baseline TIFF or BigTIFF with an XML =
metadata block in the ImageDescription.  The name just means =E2=80=9COME=E2=
=80=9D metadata model inside a =E2=80=9CTIFF=E2=80=9D container, to =
differentiate it from the original OME-XML which was OME metadata =
serialised entirely as XML.  Future variants might be for example =
OME-HDF5 or OME-Zarr. The =E2=80=9C-TIFF=E2=80=9D suffix is a purely =
functional description of a TIFF-based file format.  Why is that =
problematic?
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>> Regards,
>> Roger
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Hi =
Leonard,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks for =
following up about this.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Have you heard anything more about the TIFF registry in the =
meantime?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Thanks,</div><div class=3D"">Roger<br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On 12 =
Mar 2021, at 18:32, Leonard Rosenthol via Tiff &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:tiff@lists.osgeo.org" =
class=3D"">tiff@lists.osgeo.org</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
charset=3D"UTF-8" class=3D""><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: =
WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Sorry about the delay =E2=80=93 lawyers are not =
always the easiest folks to get responses from=E2=80=A6<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Adobe Legal has decided =
that TIFF is not a trademark that we wish to defend.&nbsp; Please feel =
free to continue to use it as you already have been.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Leonard<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"border-style: solid none =
none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); =
padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">From:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">Tiff &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:tiff-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" =
class=3D"">tiff-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>&gt; on behalf of Andrew =
Brooks &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:arb@sat.dundee.ac.uk" =
class=3D"">arb@sat.dundee.ac.uk</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Date:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Tuesday, March 2, 2021 =
at 12:38 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>"<a =
href=3D"mailto:tiff@lists.osgeo.org" class=3D"">tiff@lists.osgeo.org</a>" =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tiff@lists.osgeo.org" =
class=3D"">tiff@lists.osgeo.org</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Re: [Tiff] [Off Topic] =
TIFF and multispectral images of historical documents?<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">If =
Adobe were serious about defending their trademark they would have to =
demonstrate that they engage with people who wish to use it. The lack of =
engagement which they have demonstrated so far suggests they have =
abandoned their claims to TIFF.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">On Tue, 2 Mar 2021 at =
14:46, Roger Leigh &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rleigh@codelibre.net" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">rleigh@codelibre.net</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style=3D"border-style: none =
none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, =
204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: =
0in;" class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">On 2 =
Mar 2021, at 12:20, Leonard Rosenthol via Tiff &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:tiff@lists.osgeo.org" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: =
blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">tiff@lists.osgeo.org</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><blockquote =
style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=3D"" =
type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">It should =
also be noted that the OME-TIFF people are in violation of Adobe=E2=80=99s=
 Trademark on the use of TIFF, so I personally wouldn=E2=80=99t bet on a =
horse that hadn=E2=80=99t gotten its licenses in order=E2=80=A6<span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, =
serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">While I no longer work for the OME =
organisation myself, I would be interested to know what exactly would be =
wrong with the licensing here.&nbsp; I can always pass along any =
concerns you have to the people I know who are working there.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">OME-TIFF is not a trademark or as far as I=E2=80=99m aware =
infringing on the TIFF trademark.&nbsp; The actual code, both Java and =
C++ implementations, are BSD-licenced and freely available, as is the =
open specification.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">OME-TIFF is just a plain baseline TIFF =
or BigTIFF with an XML metadata block in the ImageDescription.&nbsp; The =
name just means =E2=80=9COME=E2=80=9D metadata model inside a =E2=80=9CTIF=
F=E2=80=9D container, to differentiate it from the original OME-XML =
which was OME metadata serialised entirely as XML.&nbsp; Future variants =
might be for example OME-HDF5 or OME-Zarr. The =E2=80=9C-TIFF=E2=80=9D =
suffix is a purely functional description of a TIFF-based file =
format.&nbsp; Why is that problematic?<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Regards,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Roger<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div =
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