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Hi,

In principle there is nothing wrong with the introduction of a PSC.

 However, the question of how it is organized and what problems it is =
intended to help solve should be clarified beforehand.

You wrote:


> One advantage of the PSC is that difficult decisions are made on =
behalf on
> the group, which avoids them to be borne by individuals. Having a PSC
> doesn't obviously exclude trying to reach consensus among the broader
> community. Not everything needs to be formally discussed and voted.
> Normal bug-fixing or "small" new features can be dealt in merge =
requests as
> usual, and don't require email traffic. But removing tools or =
functionality,
> break of backward compatibility, or significant addition of new =
functionality
> are topics for discussion and formal votes.

But here it shouldn't just be an attempt to reach a consensus; it should =
always be the first method of choice.

Basically, I believe that a PSC can be used to modernize libtiff =
carefully and in small steps.

My 2 cents as a simple user,

Best regards

Andreas

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> -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Tiff <tiff-bounces@lists.osgeo.org> Im Auftrag von Even Rouault =
via Tiff
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Februar 2024 16:08
> An: tiff@lists.osgeo.org
> Cc: Lyanguzov, Timothy <timothy.lyanguzov@sap.com>
> Betreff: [Tiff] Proposition for the creation of a libtiff project =
steering
> committee
>=20
> Dear libtiff community,
>=20
> The libtiff project has run for many years without a formal governing =
body,
> and while it has worked well for most of the time, when difficult non-
> consensual decisions have to be made, it has showed its limits. =
Recently this
> was the case for the removal in the default build of the retired TIFF
> command line utilities. Hence with a group of other stakeholders =
including
> me, Su Laus, Bob Friesenhahn, Leonard Rosenthol, Roger Leigh, Olivier
> Paquet and Timothy Lyanguzov, we are proposing to form a Project =
Steering
> Committee (PSC) for libtiff, with us as the initial members of the =
PSC. That
> committee would have voting powers to make decisions on behalf of the
> project. This is a structure that is heavily used in most of the =
projects
> affiliated with the Open Source Geospatial Foundation (OSGeo) in the
> geospatial field where I'm involved. A rather successful model for the
> working and scope of such a committee is for example the one used by =
the
> GDAL (https://gdal.org/development/rfc/rfc1_pmc.html) and MapServer
> (https://mapserver.org/development/rfc/ms-rfc-23.html ) projects since
> 2007
>=20
> Those rules have served well those projects in the last 17 years, and  =
can
> handle situations where PSC members become inactive without formally
> resigning (the PSC can of course also decide to formally remove =
members
> that no longer participate). So we are considering taking strong =
inspiration
> from them for the working of the libtiff PSC . In the adaptations that =
have
> been discussed between us, the 2 business day minimum delay indicated =
for
> formal votes is probably too short given libtiff usual pace and could =
be
> extended to 5. For GDAL and MapServer, we also traditionally put =
adoption
> of release candidates as final approved releases to a PSC vote.  It =
could be
> discussed if we'd want to do that for libtiff too. For the concrete =
mode of
> operation, typically in GDAL, when a formal decision has to be made, =
there is
> a first round of emails "Call for discussion: topic XXXX", and once =
the
> discussion seems to have come to a conclusion there's a "Motion: =
decision
> XXXX" where PSC members cast their +1, +0, 0, -0, -1 votes.
>=20
> One advantage of the PSC is that difficult decisions are made on =
behalf on
> the group, which avoids them to be borne by individuals. Having a PSC
> doesn't obviously exclude trying to reach consensus among the broader
> community. Not everything needs to be formally discussed and voted.
> Normal bug-fixing or "small" new features can be dealt in merge =
requests as
> usual, and don't require email traffic. But removing tools or =
functionality,
> break of backward compatibility, or significant addition of new =
functionality
> are topics for discussion and formal votes.
>=20
> So, this email is to gather feedback from the libtiff community at =
large to
> check if the idea of a PSC, and its proposed initial membership, makes =
sense.
> If people would like to be included to the initial PSC, they can =
(possibly
> privately) reach to us, so we can discuss this possibility.
>=20
> Best regards,
>=20
> --
> http://www.spatialys.com
> My software is free, but my time generally not.

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